Toronto Transit

Why Presto and the TTC don’t mix

After Presto double-charged me on a simple TTC transfer, I explain why the TTC needs to modernize its fare policies.

In an earlier post, I explained why the Toronto Transit Commission should ditch its archaic transfer policies and adopt a two-hour unlimited transfer system like those in Mississauga, Brampton, York Region, and elsewhere in the Greater Toronto and Hamilton Area.

When I made the argument last year, the TTC had just introduced proof-of-payment on all streetcar lines and had just started to adopt the Presto Card for fare payments. Sometime in 2o17, the TTC will eliminate all tickets, tokens, and passes, instead relying on Presto and new limited use media (LUM) paper cards for single-ride payments and day passes. (LUMs are common on some systems that have gone to smart card technology; Montréal, for example, has the L’occasionnelle card, augmenting the plastic Opus Card.)

About half the buses and over one third of all TTC subway stations now accept Presto as payment (for regular adult and student/senior fares, deducting the same fare as the applicable token or ticket price); according to the TTC, the full roll-out of Presto machines on the bus network is supposed to be complete by the end of the year. But the TTC likes to remind its passengers that they should carry alternative forms of payment in case Presto is not available (for example, when shuttle buses replace subway or streetcar services).

That said, I’ve been happy with using Presto when it’s available. Presto is all-but-necessary to ride GO Transit, OC Transpo, UP Express and suburban transit agencies; with Presto, transfers and GO Transit/suburban bus co-fares are automatically figured out. I set up the autoload feature on my Presto account, so I never have to worry about not having enough funds on the card. I can always review my account, which accurately keeps track of my transit fare payments and transfers. There are times when Presto is not an option, such as when I travel to Scarborough, so I always keep a few tokens or cash for those instances.

But on Sunday, September 18, Presto finally didn’t work for me. But I blame this on how the TTC insists on making Presto work with its interpretation of its outdated transfer policies, rather than making its fare policies work for Presto.

presto-overchargeScreenshot from my Presto transaction history, September 20, 2016

After a wonderful evening visiting the In/Future arts festival at Ontario Place, I boarded a 509 Harbourfront shuttle bus at the Exhibition Grounds at 9:22 PM. The streetcar that normally operates from the Exhibition to Union Station was not running due to maintenance in the Bay Street tunnel. The shuttle bus was equipped with a Presto machine, and I tapped my card. The bus let off its passengers at the corner of Bay and Front Streets, just outside of Union Station, and I transferred to the subway, a completely valid transfer, at 9:49PM. But that resulted in a second charge of $2.90.

My mistake was expecting that the transfer from the 509 shuttle bus to the subway would be recognized by Presto as a valid transfer. Normally, the 509 streetcar has a direct connection to the subway platforms, without the need to pass through fare gates. Elsewhere, the transfer between streetcar and subway at downtown stations is not a problem using Presto (like the transfer from the 505 Dundas Streetcar to Dundas Station on September 10).

Luckily, I checked my transaction history on Monday, where I caught the error. I immediately went on Twitter to complain. The TTC Helps account told me me to give TTC customer service a call, and they apologized (though reminding me that I should always get a paper transfer when paying with Presto), and promised to mail me a token to compensate. I got the token in the mail five days later, “in the interest of good public relations.” Mailing a token out is one way to refund an improper charge, but it’s not efficient.

I will say that the TTC customer service staff are great people who sometimes deal with unreasonable customers. The agent I spoke with was very understanding and agreed with some of the specific issues that frustrated me that day.


Had I not checked my balance, and not immediately complained, I would not have received this refund. How many customers, acting in good faith, get double-charged using their Presto Cards and don’t even know it? The TTC’s Presto fare machines don’t provide fare balance or transaction data, unlike those used by GO or suburban transit operators (see photo below).

4902983182_d89c675230_b.jpgGO Transit Presto fare machine, which displays card balance and time left to complete ride/transfer

Even when Presto is fully rolled out, the TTC’s transfer rules are unclear and they are prone to unfair double-charges for completely reasonable one-way continuous trips.

Last year, I warned about the troubles that could result in forcing Presto on top of the TTC’s archaic transfer system: “if a passenger taps onto another vehicle on the same route, which is quite a common occurrence due to delays, short-turns, and diversions/shuttles, the Presto Card will deduct a second fare.”

As I mentioned before, the TTC already considered time-based transfers in 2014 as it planned for the transition to Presto for fare collection. At the time, the Commission estimated that it would cost $20 million in annual revenue, as some passengers would take advantage of making stopovers en route or quick return trips on one fare. Another excuse I heard is that the TTC is waiting for Metrolinx to finalize its regional fare integration strategy.

But a modern transfer policy would bring the TTC in line with other transit agencies in the Greater Toronto and Hamilton Area, would make the Presto Card much easier to use, and would buy a lot of goodwill, especially if it was introduced to coincide with a fare increase. It’s also worth noting that when the TTC eliminates transfers, tickets, and passes, its customers will be required to pay $6 for a new Presto Card. It’s only right to incentivize its loyal customers to make the switch.

I’m happy to get a token refund and acknowledgment of my predicament. But I had to notice the charge and complain, and tokens will soon be phased out. A better solution is needed.

5 replies on “Why Presto and the TTC don’t mix”

The incentive to adapt if stymied by glitches like this. Instead of instilling a sense of seamless freedom, it’s like an electric shock. Electricity is still very useful, but you’re left on a constant guard to get stung again.

Now they are blaming the customers for the fault of the Presto reload machines. I am sick and tired of the TTC and the cruds the run this delapatated system. The TTC blames everyone else but themselves. The TTC should be trashed, as it does not work. The TTC is the filthiest and most expensive system, and even the rudest in North America. Even Tory with all his mouth, doesn’t have the guts to stand up to this scam of an operation. Hell they can’t even get all the new streetcars they ordered. Let’s put Daffy Duck in charge of the TTC. Toronto Trash Commission.

I also like to complain about the TTC, but come on. Philadelphia has a dirtier and dilapidated system, one that hasn’t been expanded since the 1960s. Washington’s Metro suffers from severe maintenance problems and poor headways. The TTC’s buses and streetcars are generally not very reliable, but they are frequent and well-used.

Presto is a boondoggle, but it’s better at this point to finish the job and push for improvements. The TTC’s archaic fare policies aren’t Presto’s fault.

They raise the fare and decreased the quality of service. This is nothing compared to waiting for the number 36 Finch West buses from finch station during the rush hours. There is always a line up waiting for the finch west bus. We see a bus coming in to the station but does not come to the waiting passengers on the other side for another 15 minutes. We think the driver takes a break just when it is rush hours. There is no inspectors around too, to add to the dismay of the patiently waiting passengers.
How can the TTC CEO say that the TTC is running a deficit and a City council sitting on their A— and does nothing. They are expanding so many things but the main core is overlooked. There is always a delay on subways blamed on faulty signal. Why not replaced the faulty signals rather than do a patch up job that works for a short time and breaks again. I believe the Toronto Commuters won’t mind if TTC increase fare but improves service. Expansions are good only if the subway cars can get out of the main core with no problem. Fix the main core now or the trains won’t be able to get thru the extensions. It is funny when they use the deficit as a reason for poor service and yet the ridership is always are up.
Where is all the money going? I believe it to be because of poor management. If the government can’t handle the TTC then privatize it. I bet TTC will run better

Quote from:”Ted Mounsteven · Professor at George Brown College
A reasonable number of complaints would be none. I’ve lived in a number of countries, including developing ones, and the service in Toronto is the worst I’ve ever encountered. The TTC is a cash grab. It has no competition, so no matter how bad the service, how delayed the buses, how many broken escalators, signal problems, or instances of rude behaviour, with drivers talking to customers as though they were some form of cattle, people still have to use it. Costs go up, parking near stations is about to go up, and Andy Byford is scrambling to figure out how to squeeze even more money out of Torontonians. In the meanwhile, no improvements in *service* seem imminent. People use the TTC because they have to, not because they want to.”

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